1 00:00:02,860 --> 00:00:07,909 [Music] 2 00:00:14,070 --> 00:00:11,430 hello and welcome to episode number 67 3 00:00:18,470 --> 00:00:14,080 of the point of convergence podcast as 4 00:00:20,230 --> 00:00:18,480 always i am your host exo academian 5 00:00:23,750 --> 00:00:20,240 when we think back to the dawn of the 6 00:00:25,509 --> 00:00:23,760 modern ufo era in the 1940s and the 7 00:00:27,429 --> 00:00:25,519 subsequent reports of sightings and 8 00:00:29,189 --> 00:00:27,439 interactions ever since 9 00:00:32,950 --> 00:00:29,199 whether they be of the quintessential 10 00:00:34,310 --> 00:00:32,960 flying saucers black triangles tic tacs 11 00:00:36,549 --> 00:00:34,320 or orbs 12 00:00:38,869 --> 00:00:36,559 the focus has largely been on how these 13 00:00:41,750 --> 00:00:38,879 strange and sophisticated craft and or 14 00:00:43,190 --> 00:00:41,760 phenomena seem to suddenly appear in our 15 00:00:45,270 --> 00:00:43,200 skies 16 00:00:46,950 --> 00:00:45,280 where are they coming from who are they 17 00:00:49,270 --> 00:00:46,960 what is their agenda 18 00:00:52,470 --> 00:00:49,280 all of these questions inevitably arise 19 00:00:54,389 --> 00:00:52,480 as we perceive them entering our reality 20 00:00:56,709 --> 00:00:54,399 it goes without saying that it is these 21 00:00:58,709 --> 00:00:56,719 others whoever and whatever they may 22 00:01:00,869 --> 00:00:58,719 ultimately prove to be whether 23 00:01:02,590 --> 00:01:00,879 extraterrestrial interdimensional 24 00:01:05,509 --> 00:01:02,600 time-traveling humans 25 00:01:07,429 --> 00:01:05,519 ultra-terrestrials or all of the above 26 00:01:09,590 --> 00:01:07,439 it is they who have been in charge of 27 00:01:11,830 --> 00:01:09,600 the interaction with us 28 00:01:14,710 --> 00:01:11,840 and it is this revelation that has set 29 00:01:17,109 --> 00:01:14,720 many a human being on edge 30 00:01:19,030 --> 00:01:17,119 why is this off-putting for some 31 00:01:21,910 --> 00:01:19,040 well because we humans like to believe 32 00:01:24,070 --> 00:01:21,920 we're in control of our daily lives 33 00:01:26,469 --> 00:01:24,080 of course this fragile sense of control 34 00:01:28,550 --> 00:01:26,479 is only further perturbed when we learn 35 00:01:30,789 --> 00:01:28,560 of so-called abductions 36 00:01:33,270 --> 00:01:30,799 where these others or at least a subset 37 00:01:35,109 --> 00:01:33,280 of them reportedly take human beings 38 00:01:38,390 --> 00:01:35,119 from the comfort of their own homes and 39 00:01:40,630 --> 00:01:38,400 up into their craft and elsewhere 40 00:01:43,910 --> 00:01:40,640 while when i just outlined describes the 41 00:01:45,990 --> 00:01:43,920 typical narrative around ufos and aliens 42 00:01:48,149 --> 00:01:46,000 and our interaction with them 43 00:01:50,149 --> 00:01:48,159 it is not the full story 44 00:01:52,789 --> 00:01:50,159 for decades now there have existed 45 00:01:54,950 --> 00:01:52,799 groups of curious and bold people who 46 00:01:57,510 --> 00:01:54,960 have sought to take the front foot as it 47 00:02:00,789 --> 00:01:57,520 were in regards to the encounters with 48 00:02:02,389 --> 00:02:00,799 these apparently non-human intelligences 49 00:02:05,510 --> 00:02:02,399 these groups have sought to define a 50 00:02:07,990 --> 00:02:05,520 series of protocols around which contact 51 00:02:10,550 --> 00:02:08,000 and ongoing communication with these for 52 00:02:11,910 --> 00:02:10,560 lack of a better term aliens can take 53 00:02:13,830 --> 00:02:11,920 place 54 00:02:16,869 --> 00:02:13,840 while these attempts at human initiated 55 00:02:18,710 --> 00:02:16,879 contact may seem surprising to some what 56 00:02:20,630 --> 00:02:18,720 is even more interesting is that the 57 00:02:23,430 --> 00:02:20,640 historical record has shown that these 58 00:02:26,229 --> 00:02:23,440 efforts have proven successful 59 00:02:28,390 --> 00:02:26,239 not always but often enough so as to be 60 00:02:30,470 --> 00:02:28,400 considered effective 61 00:02:32,229 --> 00:02:30,480 of course what this also suggests is 62 00:02:35,110 --> 00:02:32,239 that there really is an opportunity for 63 00:02:37,589 --> 00:02:35,120 a relationship here a two-way dialogue 64 00:02:39,350 --> 00:02:37,599 so to speak human to other and vice 65 00:02:40,710 --> 00:02:39,360 versa 66 00:02:42,710 --> 00:02:40,720 but what are the nature of these 67 00:02:44,309 --> 00:02:42,720 protocols and what makes them quote 68 00:02:46,790 --> 00:02:44,319 unquote work 69 00:02:49,509 --> 00:02:46,800 and who really are we contacting when 70 00:02:52,710 --> 00:02:49,519 these efforts do prove successful 71 00:02:54,150 --> 00:02:52,720 are we being deceived perhaps even used 72 00:02:55,509 --> 00:02:54,160 are we opening ourselves up to 73 00:02:57,509 --> 00:02:55,519 manipulation 74 00:02:59,670 --> 00:02:57,519 or are these interactions exactly what 75 00:03:01,190 --> 00:02:59,680 they often appear to be peaceful and 76 00:03:04,070 --> 00:03:01,200 cooperative 77 00:03:06,309 --> 00:03:04,080 are these others our moral superiors or 78 00:03:08,550 --> 00:03:06,319 are they just technological giants with 79 00:03:10,550 --> 00:03:08,560 no qualms about using less advanced 80 00:03:12,390 --> 00:03:10,560 species 81 00:03:14,630 --> 00:03:12,400 these have always been and will continue 82 00:03:16,869 --> 00:03:14,640 to be the pressing and pertinent 83 00:03:19,910 --> 00:03:16,879 questions in play when it comes to human 84 00:03:22,149 --> 00:03:19,920 contact with alien others 85 00:03:24,630 --> 00:03:22,159 speaking of these matters i personally 86 00:03:27,350 --> 00:03:24,640 had an opportunity recently to engage 87 00:03:30,070 --> 00:03:27,360 these very questions in a very direct up 88 00:03:32,070 --> 00:03:30,080 close and personal manner when i joined 89 00:03:35,110 --> 00:03:32,080 a special group of experiencers and 90 00:03:37,350 --> 00:03:35,120 researchers to both pursue contact and 91 00:03:39,509 --> 00:03:37,360 explore consciousness as part of a 92 00:03:41,430 --> 00:03:39,519 multi-day retreat 93 00:03:43,830 --> 00:03:41,440 it is the nature of the experiences we 94 00:03:46,710 --> 00:03:43,840 had as well as the lessons learned as a 95 00:03:49,430 --> 00:03:46,720 result that are the topic of this the 96 00:03:52,540 --> 00:03:49,440 67th episode of the point of convergence 97 00:03:57,910 --> 00:03:55,750 [Music] 98 00:04:00,390 --> 00:03:57,920 as we begin this week's episode let me 99 00:04:02,550 --> 00:04:00,400 just take a few minutes to set the scene 100 00:04:04,789 --> 00:04:02,560 as i describe how i became involved with 101 00:04:06,229 --> 00:04:04,799 this group to begin with 102 00:04:08,229 --> 00:04:06,239 first of all i should point out that 103 00:04:10,949 --> 00:04:08,239 i've been investigating the ufo 104 00:04:13,030 --> 00:04:10,959 phenomenon and general paranormality 105 00:04:14,789 --> 00:04:13,040 within the larger context of 106 00:04:17,590 --> 00:04:14,799 consciousness really 107 00:04:19,909 --> 00:04:17,600 for years now and officially as part of 108 00:04:21,749 --> 00:04:19,919 this podcast point of convergence for 109 00:04:24,230 --> 00:04:21,759 about a year and a half now it was 110 00:04:25,590 --> 00:04:24,240 december of 2020 that i first began this 111 00:04:27,350 --> 00:04:25,600 podcast 112 00:04:29,430 --> 00:04:27,360 and for the first year or so i really 113 00:04:31,350 --> 00:04:29,440 was just looking at the different 114 00:04:32,950 --> 00:04:31,360 hypotheses the different notions that 115 00:04:34,950 --> 00:04:32,960 were arising and have arisen 116 00:04:38,230 --> 00:04:34,960 historically to make sense of the 117 00:04:40,070 --> 00:04:38,240 phenomena we are experiencing and seeing 118 00:04:42,469 --> 00:04:40,080 and i was taking you along with me on 119 00:04:44,390 --> 00:04:42,479 the journey as we discuss the pros and 120 00:04:46,390 --> 00:04:44,400 cons of these different elements of 121 00:04:48,790 --> 00:04:46,400 these different hypotheses 122 00:04:51,830 --> 00:04:48,800 and as we try to see which of them 123 00:04:53,909 --> 00:04:51,840 either individually or in combination 124 00:04:55,350 --> 00:04:53,919 could make sense of all of the data we 125 00:04:56,950 --> 00:04:55,360 are seeing 126 00:04:59,430 --> 00:04:56,960 and over time i think it's probably 127 00:05:01,830 --> 00:04:59,440 become pretty clear as i've showed my 128 00:05:04,310 --> 00:05:01,840 hand so to speak that i lean towards a 129 00:05:06,550 --> 00:05:04,320 combination of these hypotheses 130 00:05:08,710 --> 00:05:06,560 being in play in terms of explaining the 131 00:05:10,790 --> 00:05:08,720 totality of what we're seeing 132 00:05:12,870 --> 00:05:10,800 i think we're seeing a complex array of 133 00:05:14,710 --> 00:05:12,880 different phenomena that we tend to 134 00:05:17,270 --> 00:05:14,720 group together only because they're 135 00:05:19,029 --> 00:05:17,280 equally strange in many ways but just 136 00:05:21,590 --> 00:05:19,039 because they're equally strange doesn't 137 00:05:23,029 --> 00:05:21,600 mean they're one thing one entity one 138 00:05:25,430 --> 00:05:23,039 phenomenon 139 00:05:27,909 --> 00:05:25,440 i would suggest it is our bias in paying 140 00:05:29,830 --> 00:05:27,919 so much attention to the strangeness the 141 00:05:32,390 --> 00:05:29,840 absurdity even that jacques villa 142 00:05:34,870 --> 00:05:32,400 identified that tends to make us draw 143 00:05:36,629 --> 00:05:34,880 the conclusion even unconsciously that 144 00:05:38,390 --> 00:05:36,639 this is one thing 145 00:05:40,310 --> 00:05:38,400 that because it's so strange it is an 146 00:05:42,550 --> 00:05:40,320 outlier from the rest of reality and 147 00:05:43,590 --> 00:05:42,560 should be thought of as one thing 148 00:05:46,150 --> 00:05:43,600 i don't think that's the best 149 00:05:48,629 --> 00:05:46,160 explanation of the data even amidst the 150 00:05:51,270 --> 00:05:48,639 high strangeness we see across a variety 151 00:05:53,510 --> 00:05:51,280 of phenomena i think distinct patterns 152 00:05:55,350 --> 00:05:53,520 have emerged over time when you pay 153 00:05:57,430 --> 00:05:55,360 close attention at least that's my 154 00:05:59,749 --> 00:05:57,440 working hypothesis and that's what i've 155 00:06:02,309 --> 00:05:59,759 been investigating as i've looked into 156 00:06:04,150 --> 00:06:02,319 different cases and different groups of 157 00:06:05,749 --> 00:06:04,160 cases that fall under a certain kind of 158 00:06:07,350 --> 00:06:05,759 pattern structure 159 00:06:09,990 --> 00:06:07,360 so all that is to say that little 160 00:06:11,990 --> 00:06:10,000 preamble there was just to describe what 161 00:06:14,629 --> 00:06:12,000 this podcast has been about what my 162 00:06:16,390 --> 00:06:14,639 journey has been about i've had several 163 00:06:18,150 --> 00:06:16,400 listeners write in to say that they 164 00:06:20,469 --> 00:06:18,160 enjoy this podcast partly because it 165 00:06:22,950 --> 00:06:20,479 feels like they're along for the ride as 166 00:06:25,270 --> 00:06:22,960 i myself explore this phenomenon more 167 00:06:27,909 --> 00:06:25,280 deeply and take different twists and 168 00:06:28,870 --> 00:06:27,919 turns as the data becomes more and more 169 00:06:31,110 --> 00:06:28,880 clear 170 00:06:33,189 --> 00:06:31,120 or to be more precise as certain 171 00:06:35,510 --> 00:06:33,199 patterns seem to emerge from within the 172 00:06:37,670 --> 00:06:35,520 totality of the data 173 00:06:40,309 --> 00:06:37,680 now of course much of this analysis has 174 00:06:42,790 --> 00:06:40,319 happened at a 30 000 foot view so to 175 00:06:45,189 --> 00:06:42,800 speak in other words my personality is 176 00:06:47,830 --> 00:06:45,199 such that i like to step back take the 177 00:06:50,150 --> 00:06:47,840 broad perspective as much as i can see 178 00:06:52,790 --> 00:06:50,160 the totality see the lay of the land so 179 00:06:53,589 --> 00:06:52,800 to speak and look for patterns within 180 00:06:57,270 --> 00:06:53,599 that 181 00:06:59,670 --> 00:06:57,280 familiarize myself with the data with 182 00:07:02,309 --> 00:06:59,680 the raw data as much as i can in other 183 00:07:03,909 --> 00:07:02,319 words the literature around experiencer 184 00:07:06,230 --> 00:07:03,919 accounts and whatnot and witness 185 00:07:09,110 --> 00:07:06,240 accounts and i try to separate that from 186 00:07:11,110 --> 00:07:09,120 the interpretations around those events 187 00:07:13,749 --> 00:07:11,120 so that i can get a good sense of the 188 00:07:15,510 --> 00:07:13,759 overall data first and foremost and only 189 00:07:18,230 --> 00:07:15,520 then do i then look into different 190 00:07:19,749 --> 00:07:18,240 hypotheses to make sense of that data at 191 00:07:21,749 --> 00:07:19,759 least potentially 192 00:07:23,749 --> 00:07:21,759 so that's the 30 000 foot view that's 193 00:07:26,230 --> 00:07:23,759 been my general approach and i think i 194 00:07:28,309 --> 00:07:26,240 would recommend it to anyone 195 00:07:30,230 --> 00:07:28,319 that said there's only so much you can 196 00:07:32,629 --> 00:07:30,240 learn by looking from that thirty 197 00:07:35,350 --> 00:07:32,639 thousand foot view perspective there's 198 00:07:37,270 --> 00:07:35,360 another kind of data set you can bring 199 00:07:39,830 --> 00:07:37,280 into the picture when you personally 200 00:07:41,510 --> 00:07:39,840 experience this phenomenon because as we 201 00:07:42,870 --> 00:07:41,520 know the impact on individuals 202 00:07:44,710 --> 00:07:42,880 themselves 203 00:07:47,189 --> 00:07:44,720 is one of the most interesting and 204 00:07:48,790 --> 00:07:47,199 significant data points and it's one 205 00:07:50,710 --> 00:07:48,800 thing to read accounts of people's 206 00:07:52,550 --> 00:07:50,720 experience with a phenomenon it's 207 00:07:54,629 --> 00:07:52,560 something else entirely to have your own 208 00:07:56,950 --> 00:07:54,639 experience with it and then to draw 209 00:07:58,629 --> 00:07:56,960 conclusions based on how it's changing 210 00:08:00,629 --> 00:07:58,639 you if at all 211 00:08:03,189 --> 00:08:00,639 and of course here self-awareness really 212 00:08:05,350 --> 00:08:03,199 matters knowing yourself really matters 213 00:08:07,909 --> 00:08:05,360 the more you are self-aware the more 214 00:08:10,150 --> 00:08:07,919 you're able to distinguish differences 215 00:08:11,749 --> 00:08:10,160 potentially that emerge in you as a 216 00:08:13,589 --> 00:08:11,759 result of interacting with the 217 00:08:15,749 --> 00:08:13,599 phenomenon 218 00:08:17,990 --> 00:08:15,759 now as many of you probably are already 219 00:08:19,990 --> 00:08:18,000 aware i have had my own personal 220 00:08:22,390 --> 00:08:20,000 experiences with the phenomenon that 221 00:08:25,189 --> 00:08:22,400 just happened to me the first one that i 222 00:08:27,189 --> 00:08:25,199 remember clearly anyway happened in 2005 223 00:08:29,110 --> 00:08:27,199 in a hotel and there's an episode where 224 00:08:31,350 --> 00:08:29,120 i discussed that in some detail so i 225 00:08:33,509 --> 00:08:31,360 won't go back over it again now but i 226 00:08:35,029 --> 00:08:33,519 have had experiences before but of 227 00:08:36,949 --> 00:08:35,039 course those were not 228 00:08:39,269 --> 00:08:36,959 by my initiative they just happened to 229 00:08:41,350 --> 00:08:39,279 me as is often the case for people who 230 00:08:43,190 --> 00:08:41,360 experience the phenomenon but of course 231 00:08:45,190 --> 00:08:43,200 there are different kinds of experiences 232 00:08:47,190 --> 00:08:45,200 where humans are actually the ones 233 00:08:49,509 --> 00:08:47,200 taking the front foot as i mentioned in 234 00:08:52,230 --> 00:08:49,519 the introduction where human beings are 235 00:08:54,949 --> 00:08:52,240 proactive in trying to contact these 236 00:08:57,910 --> 00:08:54,959 others again just as a quick disclaimer 237 00:08:59,910 --> 00:08:57,920 here when i say others my contention is 238 00:09:02,310 --> 00:08:59,920 that there are probably multiple others 239 00:09:04,870 --> 00:09:02,320 multiple groups of others arising from 240 00:09:06,310 --> 00:09:04,880 different sources different origins 241 00:09:08,310 --> 00:09:06,320 i just want to make that clear so you 242 00:09:10,150 --> 00:09:08,320 don't assume that when i say make 243 00:09:11,670 --> 00:09:10,160 contact with these others that i mean 244 00:09:13,829 --> 00:09:11,680 they're all one thing and then once 245 00:09:15,910 --> 00:09:13,839 you've done one you've covered it all i 246 00:09:17,750 --> 00:09:15,920 don't think that's the case not likely 247 00:09:20,710 --> 00:09:17,760 but nevertheless there are people who 248 00:09:23,590 --> 00:09:20,720 have engaged in trying to contact and 249 00:09:25,110 --> 00:09:23,600 interact with groups of these others 250 00:09:26,550 --> 00:09:25,120 and that's what i was interested in 251 00:09:28,949 --> 00:09:26,560 doing as well 252 00:09:31,190 --> 00:09:28,959 in other words in addition to taking the 253 00:09:33,190 --> 00:09:31,200 30 000 foot view and looking at the data 254 00:09:35,110 --> 00:09:33,200 of other people's experiences 255 00:09:37,269 --> 00:09:35,120 and in addition to reflecting on my own 256 00:09:38,949 --> 00:09:37,279 personal experiences that just happened 257 00:09:41,750 --> 00:09:38,959 to me so to speak 258 00:09:44,070 --> 00:09:41,760 i was also open to having my own 259 00:09:45,910 --> 00:09:44,080 encounters where i am the one taking the 260 00:09:47,590 --> 00:09:45,920 initiative and i was even more 261 00:09:49,750 --> 00:09:47,600 interested in the notion of doing this 262 00:09:51,910 --> 00:09:49,760 as part of a group of people because i 263 00:09:53,829 --> 00:09:51,920 think the amplitude so to speak goes up 264 00:09:55,990 --> 00:09:53,839 even more when you can do that 265 00:09:58,630 --> 00:09:56,000 especially when you're joining forces 266 00:10:01,509 --> 00:09:58,640 with what joseph burks would call prime 267 00:10:03,829 --> 00:10:01,519 contactees that is people who've had 268 00:10:06,550 --> 00:10:03,839 often lifelong encounters with this 269 00:10:08,949 --> 00:10:06,560 phenomenon and who seem to demonstrate a 270 00:10:10,870 --> 00:10:08,959 certain kind of repeatability with their 271 00:10:13,190 --> 00:10:10,880 encounters in other words they don't 272 00:10:15,829 --> 00:10:13,200 just have these few and far in between 273 00:10:18,230 --> 00:10:15,839 but they can happen quite regularly 274 00:10:20,069 --> 00:10:18,240 and recently a few months ago the 275 00:10:22,870 --> 00:10:20,079 opportunity of rose that fit this 276 00:10:24,949 --> 00:10:22,880 description exactly i was invited to be 277 00:10:27,350 --> 00:10:24,959 part of a group of people that were 278 00:10:29,509 --> 00:10:27,360 going to do a retreat over several days 279 00:10:31,910 --> 00:10:29,519 in a very unique location 280 00:10:33,990 --> 00:10:31,920 as part of an endeavor to make contact 281 00:10:35,990 --> 00:10:34,000 to try to make contact with some of 282 00:10:37,350 --> 00:10:36,000 these others as well as explore 283 00:10:39,670 --> 00:10:37,360 consciousness 284 00:10:41,590 --> 00:10:39,680 so when this opportunity arose i jumped 285 00:10:43,910 --> 00:10:41,600 at it because it really was a very 286 00:10:46,710 --> 00:10:43,920 unique opportunity with a very very 287 00:10:48,630 --> 00:10:46,720 promising group of people and speaking 288 00:10:50,710 --> 00:10:48,640 of who was involved it's important to 289 00:10:53,030 --> 00:10:50,720 stop and make this point here too 290 00:10:54,870 --> 00:10:53,040 just as your chances of making contact 291 00:10:57,750 --> 00:10:54,880 go up when you're associated with people 292 00:10:59,990 --> 00:10:57,760 who would be considered prime contactees 293 00:11:01,829 --> 00:11:00,000 according to joseph burke's definition 294 00:11:03,670 --> 00:11:01,839 by the same token if you're joined by 295 00:11:06,150 --> 00:11:03,680 the wrong group of people that are too 296 00:11:08,470 --> 00:11:06,160 cynical or too skeptical or just carry 297 00:11:10,630 --> 00:11:08,480 too much negative energy that can 298 00:11:13,430 --> 00:11:10,640 actually decrease the likelihood of an 299 00:11:16,389 --> 00:11:13,440 interaction that was my sense of this my 300 00:11:18,069 --> 00:11:16,399 felt sense and it also is backed up by 301 00:11:19,670 --> 00:11:18,079 the data itself 302 00:11:21,269 --> 00:11:19,680 that is to say when you look at 303 00:11:23,350 --> 00:11:21,279 experiencer accounts this seems to be 304 00:11:25,110 --> 00:11:23,360 backed up in the data 305 00:11:27,590 --> 00:11:25,120 so again just to make that point crystal 306 00:11:29,910 --> 00:11:27,600 clear if you join forces with people who 307 00:11:32,069 --> 00:11:29,920 have had repeated encounters with these 308 00:11:34,550 --> 00:11:32,079 others your chances of making contact 309 00:11:36,069 --> 00:11:34,560 along with them go up but likewise if 310 00:11:38,630 --> 00:11:36,079 you associate with the wrong group of 311 00:11:40,550 --> 00:11:38,640 people who are too cynical skeptical or 312 00:11:43,350 --> 00:11:40,560 just bring too much negative energy or 313 00:11:46,150 --> 00:11:43,360 even too much vein energy it seems to 314 00:11:47,990 --> 00:11:46,160 just diminish the signal altogether and 315 00:11:50,470 --> 00:11:48,000 no contact happens this has been 316 00:11:52,870 --> 00:11:50,480 demonstrated in the historical data even 317 00:11:55,910 --> 00:11:52,880 in contact attempts that were made in 318 00:11:58,069 --> 00:11:55,920 south america for instance decades ago 319 00:11:59,990 --> 00:11:58,079 now as i already mentioned there are 320 00:12:02,550 --> 00:12:00,000 likely different types of entities 321 00:12:04,550 --> 00:12:02,560 different kinds of intelligences arising 322 00:12:07,670 --> 00:12:04,560 from very different origin sources at 323 00:12:09,670 --> 00:12:07,680 least that's my working hypothesis 324 00:12:12,069 --> 00:12:09,680 also there are different means of 325 00:12:12,870 --> 00:12:12,079 contact they're not all the same and 326 00:12:15,110 --> 00:12:12,880 some 327 00:12:16,470 --> 00:12:15,120 may target one group over another even 328 00:12:18,470 --> 00:12:16,480 without us being aware that we're 329 00:12:21,670 --> 00:12:18,480 targeting one group over another with a 330 00:12:23,590 --> 00:12:21,680 certain protocol rather than another 331 00:12:26,310 --> 00:12:23,600 the protocol i was interested in 332 00:12:29,269 --> 00:12:26,320 pursuing was what is often referred to 333 00:12:31,750 --> 00:12:29,279 as ce5 which is short for close 334 00:12:34,790 --> 00:12:31,760 encounters of the fifth kind of course 335 00:12:37,030 --> 00:12:34,800 now the second i bring up that term ce5 336 00:12:38,870 --> 00:12:37,040 some people are going to be put off 337 00:12:39,910 --> 00:12:38,880 because they immediately think of steven 338 00:12:42,470 --> 00:12:39,920 greer 339 00:12:44,389 --> 00:12:42,480 now as i've said many times before i'm 340 00:12:46,470 --> 00:12:44,399 thankful for the contributions that 341 00:12:48,710 --> 00:12:46,480 stephen greer has made especially 342 00:12:50,790 --> 00:12:48,720 historically he helped to bring this 343 00:12:52,629 --> 00:12:50,800 notion that we can contact these others 344 00:12:54,870 --> 00:12:52,639 that we can initiate a kind of 345 00:12:56,870 --> 00:12:54,880 relational dynamic 346 00:12:59,110 --> 00:12:56,880 wasn't necessarily pioneered by him but 347 00:13:01,110 --> 00:12:59,120 it was certainly popularized by him 348 00:13:03,110 --> 00:13:01,120 especially in north america 349 00:13:06,310 --> 00:13:03,120 now i think whenever we broach this 350 00:13:08,870 --> 00:13:06,320 topic of ce5 we also need to acknowledge 351 00:13:11,590 --> 00:13:08,880 that while stephen greer made some great 352 00:13:14,230 --> 00:13:11,600 historical contributions to this field 353 00:13:15,910 --> 00:13:14,240 he also more recently has brought some 354 00:13:19,190 --> 00:13:15,920 shade on the entire community and the 355 00:13:21,509 --> 00:13:19,200 entire endeavor of ce5 or that is the 356 00:13:22,389 --> 00:13:21,519 attempt to make contact with these 357 00:13:24,710 --> 00:13:22,399 others 358 00:13:26,710 --> 00:13:24,720 by way of human initiative because he's 359 00:13:28,870 --> 00:13:26,720 not only employed some techniques that 360 00:13:30,550 --> 00:13:28,880 some people would question 361 00:13:32,550 --> 00:13:30,560 in terms of their validity and their 362 00:13:34,790 --> 00:13:32,560 honesty their sincerity 363 00:13:37,030 --> 00:13:34,800 but because he's also monetized this to 364 00:13:39,350 --> 00:13:37,040 such a degree that to many it just seems 365 00:13:41,750 --> 00:13:39,360 like a swindler's kind of way of 366 00:13:43,990 --> 00:13:41,760 gathering riches that might seem harsh 367 00:13:46,310 --> 00:13:44,000 but when you look at the situation over 368 00:13:48,310 --> 00:13:46,320 the last decade or so that seems to be 369 00:13:49,269 --> 00:13:48,320 what's going on those are fair critiques 370 00:13:51,110 --> 00:13:49,279 i think 371 00:13:54,470 --> 00:13:51,120 but again we have to separate the 372 00:13:56,550 --> 00:13:54,480 techniques the protocols of ce5 from a 373 00:13:58,710 --> 00:13:56,560 person like steven greer even if he was 374 00:13:59,750 --> 00:13:58,720 the one that popularized them within our 375 00:14:02,230 --> 00:13:59,760 culture 376 00:14:05,110 --> 00:14:02,240 so let's make that clear from the outset 377 00:14:07,829 --> 00:14:05,120 ce5 does not equal steven greer steven 378 00:14:10,230 --> 00:14:07,839 grier does not equal ce5 we need to look 379 00:14:13,350 --> 00:14:10,240 at these protocols and the 380 00:14:15,269 --> 00:14:13,360 results of employing them at face value 381 00:14:16,470 --> 00:14:15,279 we need to look at what it produces in 382 00:14:19,750 --> 00:14:16,480 terms of data 383 00:14:21,910 --> 00:14:19,760 and not get distracted by personalities 384 00:14:23,750 --> 00:14:21,920 and culture personalities that may have 385 00:14:25,189 --> 00:14:23,760 been historically associated with the 386 00:14:27,030 --> 00:14:25,199 protocols 387 00:14:29,590 --> 00:14:27,040 i should also add that as i already 388 00:14:31,670 --> 00:14:29,600 alluded to this retreat that took place 389 00:14:34,629 --> 00:14:31,680 over several days and several nights at 390 00:14:37,670 --> 00:14:34,639 a rather well-known location 391 00:14:39,910 --> 00:14:37,680 didn't only involve testing out the ce5 392 00:14:41,670 --> 00:14:39,920 protocols we did do that on each of the 393 00:14:43,750 --> 00:14:41,680 nights we were there but there were 394 00:14:46,150 --> 00:14:43,760 other consciousness experiments we were 395 00:14:49,590 --> 00:14:46,160 interested in including remote viewing 396 00:14:51,829 --> 00:14:49,600 telepathy astral projection and the like 397 00:14:53,829 --> 00:14:51,839 we tried all these things with rather 398 00:14:56,230 --> 00:14:53,839 impressive sensor systems as well so we 399 00:14:57,750 --> 00:14:56,240 could really try to get robust data to 400 00:15:00,230 --> 00:14:57,760 later examine 401 00:15:02,790 --> 00:15:00,240 now as i already mentioned you're much 402 00:15:04,629 --> 00:15:02,800 more likely to have a positive encounter 403 00:15:06,310 --> 00:15:04,639 with these others if you're joined by 404 00:15:09,110 --> 00:15:06,320 people who already seem to have a 405 00:15:10,949 --> 00:15:09,120 capacity to make contact 406 00:15:12,470 --> 00:15:10,959 that isn't to say you can't make contact 407 00:15:15,269 --> 00:15:12,480 on your own i know people who've done 408 00:15:17,269 --> 00:15:15,279 that many many times however as joseph 409 00:15:19,829 --> 00:15:17,279 burks would argue and i think 410 00:15:22,069 --> 00:15:19,839 compellingly so when you join forces 411 00:15:24,470 --> 00:15:22,079 with prime contactees who seem to have 412 00:15:26,629 --> 00:15:24,480 been selected by these others for some 413 00:15:27,430 --> 00:15:26,639 reason or another that perhaps is beyond 414 00:15:29,590 --> 00:15:27,440 us 415 00:15:31,990 --> 00:15:29,600 the chances of making connection and 416 00:15:34,629 --> 00:15:32,000 contact go up all the more 417 00:15:36,790 --> 00:15:34,639 so i will say that without naming names 418 00:15:38,470 --> 00:15:36,800 because i don't want to do that we had 419 00:15:40,790 --> 00:15:38,480 several what i would consider prime 420 00:15:43,189 --> 00:15:40,800 contactees along with us 421 00:15:44,870 --> 00:15:43,199 one from here in the united states who 422 00:15:46,949 --> 00:15:44,880 has become a good friend of mine by the 423 00:15:48,949 --> 00:15:46,959 way and it's this person that i'm also 424 00:15:50,870 --> 00:15:48,959 involved in a separate project with 425 00:15:51,990 --> 00:15:50,880 which i'll have more to say about later 426 00:15:54,310 --> 00:15:52,000 this year 427 00:15:56,470 --> 00:15:54,320 so that person was involved as well as 428 00:15:57,990 --> 00:15:56,480 some people from south america and 429 00:16:00,230 --> 00:15:58,000 elsewhere 430 00:16:02,790 --> 00:16:00,240 now before i get to the first night and 431 00:16:05,590 --> 00:16:02,800 our first interaction let me first say 432 00:16:07,189 --> 00:16:05,600 that for those who are not familiar ce5 433 00:16:10,069 --> 00:16:07,199 which again is close encounters of the 434 00:16:12,870 --> 00:16:10,079 fifth kind also referred to as heiss and 435 00:16:15,590 --> 00:16:12,880 this is a term that joseph burks coined 436 00:16:16,710 --> 00:16:15,600 which stands for human initiated contact 437 00:16:19,509 --> 00:16:16,720 events 438 00:16:22,150 --> 00:16:19,519 is all about human beings proactively 439 00:16:24,069 --> 00:16:22,160 aiming to make contact with these others 440 00:16:25,990 --> 00:16:24,079 through intentionality focused 441 00:16:29,350 --> 00:16:26,000 intentionality a high degree of 442 00:16:30,790 --> 00:16:29,360 consciousness positivity etc 443 00:16:33,590 --> 00:16:30,800 those of you who've listened to this 444 00:16:35,350 --> 00:16:33,600 podcast for any duration of time know i 445 00:16:37,829 --> 00:16:35,360 frequently mention that the 446 00:16:39,670 --> 00:16:37,839 intentionality the energy the level of 447 00:16:41,430 --> 00:16:39,680 consciousness we bring 448 00:16:44,389 --> 00:16:41,440 to these kinds of encounters is 449 00:16:47,269 --> 00:16:44,399 essential because as been noted by me as 450 00:16:49,749 --> 00:16:47,279 well as many others we are often given a 451 00:16:52,310 --> 00:16:49,759 reflection of what we put out in other 452 00:16:53,670 --> 00:16:52,320 words the energy we carry gets reflected 453 00:16:55,509 --> 00:16:53,680 back to us 454 00:16:57,829 --> 00:16:55,519 and i'm not saying that's a simple one 455 00:16:59,749 --> 00:16:57,839 for one equation we get back more than 456 00:17:03,910 --> 00:16:59,759 just what we put out but i am saying 457 00:17:05,990 --> 00:17:03,920 that the end result can be and often is 458 00:17:08,069 --> 00:17:06,000 impacted by the energy we bring so it's 459 00:17:10,150 --> 00:17:08,079 important that we're aware of that 460 00:17:12,710 --> 00:17:10,160 i would also add that it's not as simple 461 00:17:14,789 --> 00:17:12,720 as simply adopting the right energy 462 00:17:16,949 --> 00:17:14,799 signature on the day of the event while 463 00:17:19,029 --> 00:17:16,959 that does matter we do need to be aware 464 00:17:20,069 --> 00:17:19,039 of what we're bringing on the day of the 465 00:17:21,750 --> 00:17:20,079 event 466 00:17:23,990 --> 00:17:21,760 it has more to do with who we are as a 467 00:17:25,270 --> 00:17:24,000 person altogether our level of 468 00:17:26,710 --> 00:17:25,280 consciousness 469 00:17:28,470 --> 00:17:26,720 our priorities 470 00:17:29,430 --> 00:17:28,480 our spiritual clarity those kind of 471 00:17:31,029 --> 00:17:29,440 things 472 00:17:32,870 --> 00:17:31,039 so it's much more than just a simple 473 00:17:34,230 --> 00:17:32,880 equation on the day of i want to make 474 00:17:36,230 --> 00:17:34,240 that clear 475 00:17:38,470 --> 00:17:36,240 but that said when it does come to the 476 00:17:40,710 --> 00:17:38,480 day of the event as in the case with 477 00:17:43,510 --> 00:17:40,720 those of us involved in this event we 478 00:17:46,549 --> 00:17:43,520 took the time to meditate beforehand 479 00:17:48,310 --> 00:17:46,559 both as a group and as individuals 480 00:17:50,789 --> 00:17:48,320 in our particular case what we actually 481 00:17:52,230 --> 00:17:50,799 did was we came together first as a 482 00:17:54,230 --> 00:17:52,240 group and discussed what we were going 483 00:17:56,390 --> 00:17:54,240 to attempt and then we went into our 484 00:17:58,310 --> 00:17:56,400 separate chambers and actually used 485 00:18:00,390 --> 00:17:58,320 meditation and a kind of astral 486 00:18:03,029 --> 00:18:00,400 projection protocol 487 00:18:05,990 --> 00:18:03,039 to really focus our intention as a group 488 00:18:08,549 --> 00:18:06,000 as a collective and we did this prior to 489 00:18:10,870 --> 00:18:08,559 going outside to actually skywatch as it 490 00:18:13,029 --> 00:18:10,880 were and to see if we could make contact 491 00:18:15,110 --> 00:18:13,039 with these others 492 00:18:17,590 --> 00:18:15,120 okay so after we had all done that 493 00:18:19,909 --> 00:18:17,600 individual and collective preparation we 494 00:18:21,750 --> 00:18:19,919 went out into the central meadow 495 00:18:24,230 --> 00:18:21,760 where we would have a really expansive 496 00:18:26,470 --> 00:18:24,240 view of the night sky while we tried to 497 00:18:28,310 --> 00:18:26,480 make contact and by the way i would add 498 00:18:30,470 --> 00:18:28,320 that this happened when we had really 499 00:18:32,549 --> 00:18:30,480 great weather so we were really lucky in 500 00:18:34,549 --> 00:18:32,559 that sense because actually had been 501 00:18:36,390 --> 00:18:34,559 pouring with rain in that area in the 502 00:18:38,630 --> 00:18:36,400 days previous to this event but during 503 00:18:40,310 --> 00:18:38,640 the retreat we had clear skies pretty 504 00:18:42,230 --> 00:18:40,320 much throughout 505 00:18:44,789 --> 00:18:42,240 so as we gathered in this sort of 506 00:18:46,950 --> 00:18:44,799 semi-circular kind of formation in this 507 00:18:49,190 --> 00:18:46,960 central meadow i wasn't sure exactly 508 00:18:50,789 --> 00:18:49,200 what to expect i will admit to you that 509 00:18:52,390 --> 00:18:50,799 i thought if something's going to happen 510 00:18:53,350 --> 00:18:52,400 it's going to happen later in the 511 00:18:55,190 --> 00:18:53,360 evening 512 00:18:56,390 --> 00:18:55,200 now we got out there i think around 9 00 513 00:18:58,710 --> 00:18:56,400 p.m 514 00:19:00,870 --> 00:18:58,720 and when did we have our first contact 515 00:19:03,750 --> 00:19:00,880 it actually happened about 30 minutes 516 00:19:06,230 --> 00:19:03,760 later just after 9 30 p.m 517 00:19:07,669 --> 00:19:06,240 suddenly to my surprise and believe me i 518 00:19:09,590 --> 00:19:07,679 was surprised because i wasn't really 519 00:19:13,110 --> 00:19:09,600 expecting it that quickly 520 00:19:15,990 --> 00:19:13,120 a large yellow orb manifested in front 521 00:19:18,870 --> 00:19:16,000 of us in the sky just above the mountain 522 00:19:20,710 --> 00:19:18,880 that was i believe to the west of us 523 00:19:23,029 --> 00:19:20,720 and just to clarify when i say 524 00:19:25,270 --> 00:19:23,039 manifested what i mean is i didn't see 525 00:19:27,190 --> 00:19:25,280 it track across the sky 526 00:19:29,830 --> 00:19:27,200 from behind the horizon and then come in 527 00:19:31,830 --> 00:19:29,840 our direction i just saw it manifest in 528 00:19:33,669 --> 00:19:31,840 front of us now perhaps there was a 529 00:19:36,390 --> 00:19:33,679 track before that but i didn't see it 530 00:19:38,950 --> 00:19:36,400 what i saw was this yellow orb suddenly 531 00:19:41,350 --> 00:19:38,960 manifest in front of us people shouted 532 00:19:43,669 --> 00:19:41,360 out 12 o'clock because that's what we 533 00:19:45,350 --> 00:19:43,679 had already designated as this way of 534 00:19:48,150 --> 00:19:45,360 communicating to each other where in the 535 00:19:50,470 --> 00:19:48,160 sky certain objects or phenomena were 536 00:19:52,230 --> 00:19:50,480 manifesting so even those of us who 537 00:19:54,230 --> 00:19:52,240 didn't see it right away and i did see 538 00:19:56,230 --> 00:19:54,240 it right away but even for those that 539 00:19:58,710 --> 00:19:56,240 didn't once we had shouted out 12 540 00:20:01,029 --> 00:19:58,720 o'clock everyone knew in which direction 541 00:20:03,270 --> 00:20:01,039 to look and then everyone saw it we all 542 00:20:05,830 --> 00:20:03,280 saw it this was a fairly large group 543 00:20:07,350 --> 00:20:05,840 almost 20 people or so were there to 544 00:20:09,110 --> 00:20:07,360 witness this 545 00:20:10,470 --> 00:20:09,120 and again just for the sake of clarity 546 00:20:12,950 --> 00:20:10,480 for those of you who are not familiar 547 00:20:15,190 --> 00:20:12,960 with this term orb what i basically mean 548 00:20:16,149 --> 00:20:15,200 is a ball of light a yellow ball of 549 00:20:18,390 --> 00:20:16,159 light 550 00:20:20,710 --> 00:20:18,400 that's what we saw it didn't look like a 551 00:20:22,390 --> 00:20:20,720 physical object in terms of being made 552 00:20:23,750 --> 00:20:22,400 of metal or plastic or something or 553 00:20:25,990 --> 00:20:23,760 something that you could knock your 554 00:20:27,830 --> 00:20:26,000 finger against and get a pinging sound 555 00:20:30,789 --> 00:20:27,840 it looked like a ball of energy or a 556 00:20:33,110 --> 00:20:30,799 ball of light that manifested before us 557 00:20:35,750 --> 00:20:33,120 so right away for me that was deeply 558 00:20:38,230 --> 00:20:35,760 impacting i had now beheld this large 559 00:20:39,990 --> 00:20:38,240 orb and had done so while having 560 00:20:41,430 --> 00:20:40,000 numerous other witnesses that were there 561 00:20:43,190 --> 00:20:41,440 alongside me 562 00:20:45,590 --> 00:20:43,200 but i should add that as i already 563 00:20:48,630 --> 00:20:45,600 alluded to we had numerous other sensor 564 00:20:51,270 --> 00:20:48,640 systems on hand to track all of these 565 00:20:54,230 --> 00:20:51,280 events we had sophisticated cameras 566 00:20:56,630 --> 00:20:54,240 video cameras we had radar equipment in 567 00:20:58,310 --> 00:20:56,640 addition we had a random number 568 00:21:01,029 --> 00:20:58,320 generator that was stationed on the side 569 00:21:02,630 --> 00:21:01,039 of one of the mountains in our location 570 00:21:04,870 --> 00:21:02,640 and the idea here for those of you who 571 00:21:07,350 --> 00:21:04,880 are not familiar is that random number 572 00:21:09,590 --> 00:21:07,360 generators just basically pump out 573 00:21:11,909 --> 00:21:09,600 numbers in a random fashion so you 574 00:21:13,590 --> 00:21:11,919 shouldn't see any particular 575 00:21:16,230 --> 00:21:13,600 pattern emerge because it should be 576 00:21:18,230 --> 00:21:16,240 random but what we have found what 577 00:21:20,390 --> 00:21:18,240 various consciousness studies have found 578 00:21:23,110 --> 00:21:20,400 well beyond just the ufo phenomenon but 579 00:21:24,950 --> 00:21:23,120 even investigating psy phenomena what 580 00:21:27,190 --> 00:21:24,960 has been found is that human 581 00:21:29,510 --> 00:21:27,200 intentionality itself consciousness 582 00:21:32,549 --> 00:21:29,520 itself seems to be able to 583 00:21:35,669 --> 00:21:32,559 affect random number generators so as to 584 00:21:37,350 --> 00:21:35,679 make them go non-random so to speak and 585 00:21:39,909 --> 00:21:37,360 what we mean by that is a distinct 586 00:21:42,070 --> 00:21:39,919 pattern does emerge that's not random it 587 00:21:44,630 --> 00:21:42,080 doesn't look anything like random when 588 00:21:47,750 --> 00:21:44,640 that happens it seems to be indicating 589 00:21:50,149 --> 00:21:47,760 that consciousness itself in some way is 590 00:21:52,310 --> 00:21:50,159 impacting our physical reality and this 591 00:21:54,549 --> 00:21:52,320 is being reflected in a random number 592 00:21:56,549 --> 00:21:54,559 generator that is basically a computer 593 00:21:58,870 --> 00:21:56,559 program that again according to the 594 00:22:01,270 --> 00:21:58,880 physicalist model according to the 595 00:22:03,750 --> 00:22:01,280 notions found in reductionistic 596 00:22:06,070 --> 00:22:03,760 materialism should not be possible there 597 00:22:08,789 --> 00:22:06,080 should be no way that consciousness of 598 00:22:10,870 --> 00:22:08,799 any kind should impact physical reality 599 00:22:12,390 --> 00:22:10,880 like this and yet that's exactly what 600 00:22:13,830 --> 00:22:12,400 often happens 601 00:22:16,230 --> 00:22:13,840 so that's what's been shown to be the 602 00:22:19,029 --> 00:22:16,240 case historically the consciousness does 603 00:22:21,669 --> 00:22:19,039 indeed seem to be able to impact these 604 00:22:24,870 --> 00:22:21,679 machines these sensors that should be 605 00:22:26,630 --> 00:22:24,880 impervious to this kind of influence 606 00:22:29,110 --> 00:22:26,640 so then of course the question is what 607 00:22:31,110 --> 00:22:29,120 happened with us did our encounter and 608 00:22:32,470 --> 00:22:31,120 our shared intentionality make any 609 00:22:35,350 --> 00:22:32,480 difference 610 00:22:37,270 --> 00:22:35,360 well as it turns out yes it did 611 00:22:38,149 --> 00:22:37,280 and let me break down how this was the 612 00:22:39,990 --> 00:22:38,159 case 613 00:22:41,669 --> 00:22:40,000 first of all as one of the technicians 614 00:22:43,510 --> 00:22:41,679 later showed us when he showed us the 615 00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:43,520 actual graph of this random number 616 00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:44,640 generator 617 00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:46,720 what you first saw was that it went 618 00:22:51,510 --> 00:22:49,440 non-random when we got together with a 619 00:22:54,310 --> 00:22:51,520 shared intentionality in other words 620 00:22:56,870 --> 00:22:54,320 when we had a moment of intense focus 621 00:22:59,190 --> 00:22:56,880 shared meditative intention then you 622 00:23:01,350 --> 00:22:59,200 would see this reflected in the output 623 00:23:03,190 --> 00:23:01,360 of the random number generator 624 00:23:04,950 --> 00:23:03,200 that was the first kind of impact that 625 00:23:07,029 --> 00:23:04,960 was visible when you looked at the 626 00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:07,039 actual graph that was produced 627 00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:09,600 the second kind was when the actual 628 00:23:15,590 --> 00:23:12,000 phenomena showed up so when that orb 629 00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:15,600 showed up to the very moment the random 630 00:23:21,190 --> 00:23:18,240 number generator really did go crazy so 631 00:23:23,909 --> 00:23:21,200 to speak it went non-random to the tune 632 00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:23,919 of two deviations which is highly 633 00:23:28,310 --> 00:23:26,000 significant if you know your statistics 634 00:23:30,950 --> 00:23:28,320 from psychology and whatnot this was a 635 00:23:33,270 --> 00:23:30,960 highly statistically significant result 636 00:23:35,669 --> 00:23:33,280 that happened at the very moment we 637 00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:35,679 observed this orb in the sky what we're 638 00:23:38,549 --> 00:23:37,200 saying here is that we have a second 639 00:23:40,549 --> 00:23:38,559 sensor system 640 00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:40,559 validating that that it wasn't just in 641 00:23:44,789 --> 00:23:42,480 our consciousness or if it was just in 642 00:23:47,190 --> 00:23:44,799 our consciousness it was also happening 643 00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:47,200 within the wiring of this random number 644 00:23:53,350 --> 00:23:50,400 generator computer system program so 645 00:23:54,789 --> 00:23:53,360 that's highly impacting highly relevant 646 00:23:56,310 --> 00:23:54,799 and i wanted to bring that to your 647 00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:56,320 attention 648 00:23:59,990 --> 00:23:58,080 if nothing else it certainly seems to 649 00:24:02,630 --> 00:24:00,000 exclude the possibility of a shared 650 00:24:04,549 --> 00:24:02,640 delusion or a shared hallucination 651 00:24:06,630 --> 00:24:04,559 because if that's what we experienced 652 00:24:09,350 --> 00:24:06,640 why was this random number generator 653 00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:09,360 this computer program impacted in a 654 00:24:14,950 --> 00:24:12,240 similar manner at the very same time at 655 00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:14,960 the very same location 656 00:24:20,149 --> 00:24:17,039 so that's what happened on night number 657 00:24:22,470 --> 00:24:20,159 one very impacting for all of us the 658 00:24:24,710 --> 00:24:22,480 next day the technician came to us and 659 00:24:26,230 --> 00:24:24,720 showed us this output from the random 660 00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:26,240 number generator and that's when we 661 00:24:30,390 --> 00:24:28,320 became aware of this second 662 00:24:32,549 --> 00:24:30,400 data point that corroborated the first 663 00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:32,559 one which was of course our experience 664 00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:34,320 in real time 665 00:24:38,630 --> 00:24:36,400 but again we had multiple nights so the 666 00:24:40,390 --> 00:24:38,640 next night we also set up with the same 667 00:24:41,750 --> 00:24:40,400 sort of protocols although we tweaked 668 00:24:44,070 --> 00:24:41,760 things a little bit because again this 669 00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:44,080 was an ongoing experiment so we tried a 670 00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:45,360 few different things we tried a 671 00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:47,520 different kind of preparation organized 672 00:24:51,750 --> 00:24:49,440 the group slightly differently we tried 673 00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:51,760 to go in with even more shared focus 674 00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:54,000 this next time now from this point on 675 00:24:56,230 --> 00:24:54,960 i'm going to give you just the 676 00:24:58,070 --> 00:24:56,240 highlights of what happened over the 677 00:25:00,549 --> 00:24:58,080 next several nights rather than going 678 00:25:03,269 --> 00:25:00,559 into so much detail but i will say that 679 00:25:05,669 --> 00:25:03,279 on the second night we also had a 680 00:25:08,310 --> 00:25:05,679 positive experience in other words we 681 00:25:10,230 --> 00:25:08,320 did see phenomena in the sky although 682 00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:10,240 this time it happened much later in the 683 00:25:13,269 --> 00:25:11,200 evening 684 00:25:15,669 --> 00:25:13,279 what's also important to note here is 685 00:25:18,149 --> 00:25:15,679 that it was specifically when a couple 686 00:25:21,190 --> 00:25:18,159 of the people from south america really 687 00:25:22,950 --> 00:25:21,200 had an intense focus and were actually 688 00:25:25,510 --> 00:25:22,960 sending their intention to one 689 00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:25,520 particular point in the sky that we had 690 00:25:29,430 --> 00:25:27,440 something manifest in the sky we had 691 00:25:32,390 --> 00:25:29,440 phenomena manifest in that very part of 692 00:25:35,110 --> 00:25:32,400 the sky at that very moment which again 693 00:25:37,510 --> 00:25:35,120 just highlights the degree to which our 694 00:25:39,909 --> 00:25:37,520 consciousness our intentionality plays 695 00:25:41,669 --> 00:25:39,919 such a central role in what ends up 696 00:25:43,269 --> 00:25:41,679 happening 697 00:25:44,950 --> 00:25:43,279 now here i'd like to pause for a moment 698 00:25:47,190 --> 00:25:44,960 especially for the sake of those of you 699 00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:47,200 who are more skeptical about this entire 700 00:25:50,470 --> 00:25:48,400 kind of event 701 00:25:52,789 --> 00:25:50,480 to make the point that not only did we 702 00:25:54,950 --> 00:25:52,799 have multiple sensor systems on hand to 703 00:25:57,430 --> 00:25:54,960 try to validate and corroborate these 704 00:26:00,310 --> 00:25:57,440 experiences but on top of that we had 705 00:26:02,549 --> 00:26:00,320 people involved who were trained in 706 00:26:04,950 --> 00:26:02,559 examining these kinds of events in other 707 00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:04,960 words people who had logged hundreds or 708 00:26:10,470 --> 00:26:07,679 thousands of hours looking at the sky at 709 00:26:13,269 --> 00:26:10,480 night filming it using radar and whatnot 710 00:26:15,909 --> 00:26:13,279 and becoming highly highly familiar with 711 00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:15,919 every object that's up in the sky 712 00:26:22,789 --> 00:26:17,919 anything that's prozac in other words 713 00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:22,799 satellites meteors planets stars planes 714 00:26:26,070 --> 00:26:24,480 the international space station when 715 00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:26,080 that would go over we would call out to 716 00:26:30,390 --> 00:26:27,760 each other we're tracking that that's 717 00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:30,400 the iss at three o'clock or what have 718 00:26:35,190 --> 00:26:31,200 you 719 00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:35,200 might wonder if this is just a case of 720 00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:36,960 confirmation bias that we're looking in 721 00:26:41,269 --> 00:26:38,880 one part of the sky and eventually we 722 00:26:43,590 --> 00:26:41,279 see something and misidentified as 723 00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:43,600 something anomalous what i'm saying is 724 00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:46,240 we went in with a clear intention to be 725 00:26:50,630 --> 00:26:48,159 aware of anything that's prosaic or 726 00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:50,640 conventional and look specifically with 727 00:26:55,430 --> 00:26:52,880 an expert's eye to see things that 728 00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:55,440 really did stand out as anomalous and 729 00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:57,600 indeed that did happen on each of the 730 00:27:03,590 --> 00:27:00,720 nights that we were gathered together 731 00:27:05,590 --> 00:27:03,600 now with that said i will also make the 732 00:27:08,870 --> 00:27:05,600 point that a key lesson that emerged 733 00:27:11,590 --> 00:27:08,880 from this entire retreat involved our 734 00:27:13,430 --> 00:27:11,600 intentionality but specifically it also 735 00:27:15,909 --> 00:27:13,440 involved us being aware that having an 736 00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:15,919 open mind and an open heart was 737 00:27:20,389 --> 00:27:18,720 essential in the process and that is to 738 00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:20,399 say even when something was coming over 739 00:27:25,029 --> 00:27:22,640 that initially could be identified as a 740 00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:25,039 satellite we wouldn't shut it out as 741 00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:27,120 being such at least we learned not to at 742 00:27:31,269 --> 00:27:29,600 first we did but eventually one of the 743 00:27:33,830 --> 00:27:31,279 key experiencers one of the prime 744 00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:33,840 contactees that i identified earlier 745 00:27:38,389 --> 00:27:35,520 made the point that it's important to 746 00:27:40,230 --> 00:27:38,399 not prematurely make that assumption 747 00:27:42,789 --> 00:27:40,240 that it's something conventional because 748 00:27:44,549 --> 00:27:42,799 when you do that you close off the 749 00:27:46,549 --> 00:27:44,559 possibilities you close off the 750 00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:46,559 consciousness connection that can be 751 00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:48,960 made with whatever is up there and 752 00:27:53,909 --> 00:27:51,760 whatever we're contacting in ce5 seems 753 00:27:56,149 --> 00:27:53,919 to have a spiritual element an energetic 754 00:27:58,710 --> 00:27:56,159 element connected to our consciousness 755 00:28:01,269 --> 00:27:58,720 so if we go in with too much skepticism 756 00:28:03,110 --> 00:28:01,279 too much of a scientific mindset where 757 00:28:05,830 --> 00:28:03,120 we're quick to say that's a satellite 758 00:28:07,590 --> 00:28:05,840 for sure before we know it is 759 00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:07,600 we can actually end up severing the 760 00:28:10,950 --> 00:28:09,120 connection with something that's not 761 00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:10,960 actually a satellite but is just 762 00:28:15,750 --> 00:28:13,360 tracking like a satellite initially and 763 00:28:18,389 --> 00:28:15,760 thus rob ourselves of a potentially 764 00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:18,399 amazing experience and to make that 765 00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:20,640 point to really underline it i will say 766 00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:22,640 that several of the people involved with 767 00:28:25,590 --> 00:28:23,760 this event 768 00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:25,600 talked about exactly that kind of 769 00:28:29,909 --> 00:28:27,600 occurrence where on previous occasions 770 00:28:31,269 --> 00:28:29,919 they saw something coming across the sky 771 00:28:33,430 --> 00:28:31,279 that looked like it was following the 772 00:28:35,029 --> 00:28:33,440 trajectory of a traditional satellite 773 00:28:38,230 --> 00:28:35,039 looked to be about the right size as a 774 00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:38,240 satellite the right elevation etc but 775 00:28:44,310 --> 00:28:41,520 then this object would suddenly stop or 776 00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:44,320 make a 90 degree turn or shoot straight 777 00:28:48,549 --> 00:28:46,720 up into space and then it became clear 778 00:28:51,029 --> 00:28:48,559 abundantly clear that it was not a 779 00:28:53,029 --> 00:28:51,039 satellite and one of the key lessons we 780 00:28:55,590 --> 00:28:53,039 learned was that it's important to not 781 00:28:58,310 --> 00:28:55,600 prematurely identify something as 782 00:29:00,630 --> 00:28:58,320 conventional because in doing so you may 783 00:29:02,230 --> 00:29:00,640 sever the very consciousness connection 784 00:29:04,710 --> 00:29:02,240 that is connecting to something 785 00:29:07,110 --> 00:29:04,720 non-prosaic that is about to show you 786 00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:07,120 something truly stupendous that will 787 00:29:13,110 --> 00:29:11,200 identify it as something anomalous 788 00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:13,120 so thus far i've identified two 789 00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:14,880 different occasions two different nights 790 00:29:18,310 --> 00:29:16,799 where something showed up and by the way 791 00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:18,320 the second night was a different kind of 792 00:29:21,909 --> 00:29:20,159 phenomena than the first the second 793 00:29:23,669 --> 00:29:21,919 night was more like flashes that 794 00:29:25,909 --> 00:29:23,679 appeared in that one particular part of 795 00:29:27,990 --> 00:29:25,919 the sky where these two people were 796 00:29:29,909 --> 00:29:28,000 focusing their attention 797 00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:29,919 now i'd like to share one more event 798 00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:32,399 that happened on a different night again 799 00:29:36,310 --> 00:29:34,320 and on this third night what ended up 800 00:29:37,830 --> 00:29:36,320 happening was that several of the 801 00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:37,840 members of the group were having a bit 802 00:29:41,909 --> 00:29:39,600 of a disagreement an agreeable 803 00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:41,919 disagreement but a disagreement around 804 00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:44,159 how we should refer to these events and 805 00:29:48,149 --> 00:29:46,640 these objects or phenomena as we notice 806 00:29:50,070 --> 00:29:48,159 them in the sky 807 00:29:51,909 --> 00:29:50,080 now again here i want to highlight that 808 00:29:54,070 --> 00:29:51,919 things never got too heated but there 809 00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:54,080 was a disagreement happening and i think 810 00:29:57,510 --> 00:29:55,760 some of us in the group recognized that 811 00:30:00,230 --> 00:29:57,520 this was perhaps putting a bit of a 812 00:30:01,909 --> 00:30:00,240 damper a cooling effect on what might 813 00:30:03,669 --> 00:30:01,919 occur in the sky 814 00:30:06,310 --> 00:30:03,679 because by this point we were clearly 815 00:30:08,470 --> 00:30:06,320 all aware that our shared intention our 816 00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:08,480 collective consciousness was a key 817 00:30:13,990 --> 00:30:11,520 element in the entire endeavor 818 00:30:15,909 --> 00:30:14,000 now to be clear on this particular night 819 00:30:19,029 --> 00:30:15,919 we hadn't noticed anything that seemed 820 00:30:21,830 --> 00:30:19,039 anomalous in the skies above our heads 821 00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:21,840 now these three people kept talking kept 822 00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:23,600 dialoguing about what was the right way 823 00:30:27,190 --> 00:30:25,760 to proceed and then some people actually 824 00:30:29,110 --> 00:30:27,200 ended up going off to bed because it was 825 00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:29,120 getting later in the evening was after 826 00:30:33,909 --> 00:30:31,200 midnight at this point but these three 827 00:30:36,789 --> 00:30:33,919 people to their credit kept dialoguing 828 00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:36,799 and eventually they came to a shared 829 00:30:41,990 --> 00:30:39,360 understanding and surrendered their egos 830 00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:42,000 and all got together and had a group hug 831 00:30:46,230 --> 00:30:44,399 and asked each other for forgiveness and 832 00:30:47,830 --> 00:30:46,240 in the process turned it into a 833 00:30:50,310 --> 00:30:47,840 teachable moment where they all learned 834 00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:50,320 something in the process and what's 835 00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:52,559 truly fascinating and revealing 836 00:30:58,710 --> 00:30:55,440 ultimately is that it was at that very 837 00:31:01,190 --> 00:30:58,720 very moment that again phenomena 838 00:31:02,789 --> 00:31:01,200 manifested in the sky orbs above the 839 00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:02,799 location where they were actually 840 00:31:07,830 --> 00:31:05,760 dialoguing appeared at just that moment 841 00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:07,840 and once again just as on the previous 842 00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:10,159 nights the random number generator 843 00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:12,480 showed this in the output at the very 844 00:31:17,190 --> 00:31:14,720 moment that they came together in this 845 00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:17,200 point of shared connection and mutual 846 00:31:21,990 --> 00:31:19,600 admiration and love for each other 847 00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:22,000 that strong conscious intention 848 00:31:27,590 --> 00:31:25,200 broadcast something that produced an 849 00:31:29,990 --> 00:31:27,600 effect where these orbs showed up at 850 00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:30,000 that very moment when they hadn't during 851 00:31:35,830 --> 00:31:32,880 all the hours previous to that moment 852 00:31:39,509 --> 00:31:35,840 so again a very very impacting and 853 00:31:41,669 --> 00:31:39,519 revelatory moment for everyone involved 854 00:31:43,350 --> 00:31:41,679 so there you have it i've shared three 855 00:31:45,750 --> 00:31:43,360 different nights and three different 856 00:31:48,310 --> 00:31:45,760 experiences we all had and the lessons 857 00:31:50,870 --> 00:31:48,320 in consciousness we all learned as a 858 00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:50,880 result of our shared intention 859 00:31:55,350 --> 00:31:52,880 now this was a wonderful retreat i hope 860 00:31:57,269 --> 00:31:55,360 we do it again a year from now or at 861 00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:57,279 some other point in the future 862 00:32:00,389 --> 00:31:59,039 it was an experience i will personally 863 00:32:02,549 --> 00:32:00,399 never forget 864 00:32:04,389 --> 00:32:02,559 not just because of the lessons learned 865 00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:04,399 but because of the shared bonds we 866 00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:06,240 formed as a group 867 00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:08,159 where again consciousness was 868 00:32:13,269 --> 00:32:11,039 fundamental to the entire endeavor 869 00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:13,279 we all feel like we've been infected so 870 00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:16,080 to speak not just by these others that 871 00:32:19,830 --> 00:32:17,679 intermingled with us 872 00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:19,840 but also with each other's consciousness 873 00:32:23,830 --> 00:32:21,840 we are somehow part of something larger 874 00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:23,840 than ourselves as a result of this 875 00:32:29,830 --> 00:32:26,000 retreat 876 00:32:31,990 --> 00:32:29,840 several days and several nights there's 877 00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:32,000 much i have not been able to share yet 878 00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:34,320 and i will no doubt refer to this event 879 00:32:38,549 --> 00:32:36,799 in future podcast episodes but i at 880 00:32:40,789 --> 00:32:38,559 least wanted to do this initial one 881 00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:40,799 where i gave a bit of a debrief on some 882 00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:43,200 of the key elements that were discovered 883 00:32:48,630 --> 00:32:45,600 as a result of our shared consciousness 884 00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:48,640 and contact experiment 885 00:32:53,509 --> 00:32:50,640 to be honest the entire experience was 886 00:32:56,149 --> 00:32:53,519 so profound so deeply moving that i'm 887 00:32:57,990 --> 00:32:56,159 still personally processing much of what 888 00:33:00,070 --> 00:32:58,000 happened and i've heard the very same 889 00:33:02,630 --> 00:33:00,080 thing from the others that were involved 890 00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:05,110 and on that note we've come to the close 891 00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:06,960 of another edition of the point of 892 00:33:11,509 --> 00:33:09,200 convergence podcast if you'd like to 893 00:33:12,509 --> 00:33:11,519 support this podcast you can do so by 894 00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:12,519 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